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He's a nice guy Neil. He hopefully will be able to support us with our cause.
I might have another source for the "story" dating before 1968!!!
I'm following up a few leads this afternoon so will keep you all updated.
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Apparently Frank Shires was born in 1903, so would be 105 now if he was still about!!
He was the person that wrote all the features about churches, civic life etc, but appears never to have been the editor there.
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Do I remember right, Lee - was Frank Shires the journo who wrote the 1968 YEP story?
Having trawled GENUKI again, I found a picture of the old St. Peter's - couldn't see any skulls on it, but it was a rubbish drawing!
Also, I don't know if anyone noticed, but our John Ainley (a former landlord of The Crown and Fleece) was formerly the owner of an eating house and shop at 14 Call Lane, according to Baines's 1822 Directory. (If it's the same Mr. Ainley.)
Yet another snippet of information - but I bet Tasa's already dug all this up!!!
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| LS1 wrote: |
Apparently Frank Shires was born in 1903, so would be 105 now if he was still about!!
He was the person that wrote all the features about churches, civic life etc, but appears never to have been the editor there. |
Well Barbara Taylor Bradford cited Frank Shires as being the news editor of the YEP:-
"What good advice was given to you when you were starting out?
My news editor, Frank Shires, on the Yorkshire Evening Post said always remember Who, When, What, Where, How and Why. And in my writing I always create a character first; the "
so perhaps not the overall editor then,we missed the news bit Lee.
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Do I remember right, Lee - was Frank Shires the journo who wrote the 1968 YEP story?
Having trawled GENUKI again, I found a picture of the old St. Peter's - couldn't see any skulls on it, but it was a rubbish drawing!
Also, I don't know if anyone noticed, but our John Ainley (a former landlord of The Crown and Fleece) was formerly the owner of an eating house and shop at 14 Call Lane, according to Baines's 1822 Directory. (If it's the same Mr. Ainley.)
Yet another snippet of information - but I bet Tasa's already dug all this up!!! |
Frank Shires is shown as researcher in the 1968 article.
A number of the burgess rolls for Leeds show J Ainley as having the Crown and a property on Call Lane,so it is probably him
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Oh by the way everyone who couldnt make it Sunday,we forgot to mention that the 1836 burgess/voters roll shows J Ainley as being at Crown Street,and is shown as having the pub AND stables,so we now have a sourced piece of evidence associating the stables with the Crown 50 years eralier thatn the previous source which was the 1886 insurance map that Lee came across.
We also came acrosss a map of 1793,which i believe was something to do with the lands owned by the grammar school ( i think wasnt it?)in the corn exchange area.
It shows that the area in front of the pub,which isnt actually indicated itself just represented as a shaded area with the ginnel down its side,was a street as we would recognise it today.
On the land occupied by the current corn exchange are the buildings for which the map has been made for,they are shown as being represented by letters (A,B,C ....)
Unfortunately there was no corresponding key to identify them ,but what was interesting is that on the other side of the street to the pub was a small walled enclosure with a gate to gain entry,i wonder if this was the remains of the land that Harrison had which was mentioned in the Ducatus extract that LS1 posted when describing the location of the Call Lane chapel?
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| Si wrote: |
Do I remember right, Lee - was Frank Shires the journo who wrote the 1968 YEP story?
Having trawled GENUKI again, I found a picture of the old St. Peter's - couldn't see any skulls on it, but it was a rubbish drawing!
Also, I don't know if anyone noticed, but our John Ainley (a former landlord of The Crown and Fleece) was formerly the owner of an eating house and shop at 14 Call Lane, according to Baines's 1822 Directory. (If it's the same Mr. Ainley.)
Yet another snippet of information - but I bet Tasa's already dug all this up!!! |
Frank Shires is shown as researcher in the 1968 article.
A number of the burgess rolls for Leeds show J Ainley as having the Crown and a property on Call Lane,so it is probably him |
There's also an entry in White's 1837 Directory which gives two John Ainleys, Chris.
John Ainley, clerk, 39 Call Lane.
John Ainley, vict. Crown and Fleece, 3 Crown Street.
Two men, or one very busy man?!!
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| Si wrote: |
Do I remember right, Lee - was Frank Shires the journo who wrote the 1968 YEP story?
Having trawled GENUKI again, I found a picture of the old St. Peter's - couldn't see any skulls on it, but it was a rubbish drawing!
Also, I don't know if anyone noticed, but our John Ainley (a former landlord of The Crown and Fleece) was formerly the owner of an eating house and shop at 14 Call Lane, according to Baines's 1822 Directory. (If it's the same Mr. Ainley.)
Yet another snippet of information - but I bet Tasa's already dug all this up!!! |
Frank Shires is shown as researcher in the 1968 article.
A number of the burgess rolls for Leeds show J Ainley as having the Crown and a property on Call Lane,so it is probably him |
There's also an entry in White's 1837 Directory which gives two John Ainleys, Chris.
John Ainley, clerk, 39 Call Lane.
John Ainley, vict. Crown and Fleece, 3 Crown Street.
Two men, or one very busy man?!!
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Probably Johns son John
"baptised 09 JUL 1815 Saint Peter, Leeds, son of John and Sarah"
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I had a very interesting morning looking in the yard and cellar of Hills furniture shop. Many thanks to Andy for opening up the cellar and removing those secret panels to get in. If your reading Andy. cheers mate!
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Tunnel dweller strikes again!!
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I don't believe this!!! Now we have a secret tunnel as well! ;-)
Fantastic work, Phill. There's a fair bit of modern brickwork down there, propping it all up. The windows to the front will once have had light-wells in the pavement above. Nice fireplace, too.
Notice on the map that Hill's is marked as "S&D" - shop and dwelling.
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Nice original Georgian window frame in that second to last shot, Phill.
The side wall of the skull building (with the two stone window ledges intact) shows alterations once again. The middle bit with the windows looks old, but the near corner looks newer.
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