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'Steve,the WYAS,where are they then?'
Asked about this before cnosni, it's the lot at Sheepscar isn't it? I'm sure you said an online catalogue search has been done.
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'Steve,the WYAS,where are they then?'
Asked about this before cnosni, it's the lot at Sheepscar isn't it? I'm sure you said an online catalogue search has been done. |
Ah yes,but confusingly there are two organisations.
West Yorkshire ARCHIVE service,in Sheepscar and Wakefield and a couple of other places
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West Yorkshire ARCHAEOLOGICAL service,in Wakefield
The A2A online database was for Sheepscar,the Archaeological boys do the actual dirty work and provide dating services,though not in the way that simonm would be thinking about!!
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chameleon
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'Steve,the WYAS,where are they then?'
Asked about this before cnosni, it's the lot at Sheepscar isn't it? I'm sure you said an online catalogue search has been done. |
Ah yes,but confusingly there are two organisations.
West Yorkshire ARCHIVE service,in Sheepscar and Wakefield and a couple of other places
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West Yorkshire ARCHAEOLOGICAL service,in Wakefield
The A2A online database was for Sheepscar,the Archaeological boys do the actual dirty work and provide dating services,though not in the way that simonm would be thinking about!!
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Now I understand my confusion (it's the sun you know!) - I did look quickly on-line and now I see the various re-directs take to a Joint Services page..... at which you do need to look carefully. I'll go back to the sun I think
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Walking past the Parish church after a little explore today, I thought I'd have a look inside, Anyway I was pleased to find a nice carved skull not to dissimilar to ours. A carved skull a mere 200yds away from our hot spot is too good to mention 
The lady curator told me the Thoresby society take a keen interest in these carvings and have a pretty good record of all the stuff in the Parish church, it all dates back hundreds of years, She told me a lot of what's in there now is from the previous churches including the Leeds cross, Interesting to note she said the workmen of the day building the new Parish church were known to swipe any stone of value and flog it. Apparently there is stone from the Parish church in the City museum although I'm not sure if it is open yet?
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A few weeks a go now Phill, I walked round and round the church, even over the road on the embankment, just in case there was anything to see. Time was short so only a cursary look inside - and completely missed that. Makes me think, the old saying about can't see the wood for the trees - there's probably what we need staring us all in the face somewhere.
Heavily committed at weekends but will be thinking of everyone out tomorrow - good hunting folks.
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I was actually leaving myself and something made turn around in the entrance and look up, It was like it was shouting at me from up there. I very nearly missed it myself. It's not immediately obvious.
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| I was actually leaving myself and something made turn around in the entrance and look up, It was like it was shouting at me from up there. I very nearly missed it myself. It's not immediately obvious. |
i had to read that twice phill, i thought you said"i was actually relieving myself and something made me turn around" lol
good find though mate,i will have a look at it tomorrow all being well
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| I was actually leaving myself and something made turn around in the entrance and look up, It was like it was shouting at me from up there. I very nearly missed it myself. It's not immediately obvious. |
i had to read that twice phill, i thought you said"i was actually relieving myself and something made me turn around" lol
good find though mate,i will have a look at it tomorrow all being well
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NEVER in a holy place Brandy. tut tut
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I noticed on the 1850 OS map of Leeds that where the indoor market now stands (which was then The Vicarage Croft) has marked the site of a chantry chapel dating from 1430 AD as being roughly opposite where The Regent pub is. The 1837 Baines directory (free download from Google books) has an excellent history of Leeds which mentions this area being bought and developed in 1823.
Occurred to me that this is yet another area where a bit of loose stone might have been found during the clean up!
Investigating any descriptions of the Chantry Chapel of Mary Magdalene might be in order.
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| Steve Jones wrote: |
I noticed on the 1850 OS map of Leeds that where the indoor market now stands (which was then The Vicarage Croft) has marked the site of a chantry chapel dating from 1430 AD as being roughly opposite where The Regent pub is. The 1837 Baines directory (free download from Google books) has an excellent history of Leeds which mentions this area being bought and developed in 1823.
Occurred to me that this is yet another area where a bit of loose stone might have been found during the clean up!
Investigating any descriptions of the Chantry Chapel of Mary Magdalene might be in order. |
The unfortunate thing is of course Steve, there won't be any photos - we need that time machine thing here to go have a look!
There's a steday stream of observations going on I think, looking at all the remaining religious and related sites, hoping for a clue from seeing something similar remaining elsewhere. There has to be an answer somewhere.
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Do we know when this 'memento mori' or the use of carved skulls became unfashionable to mark death?
It was all the rage at one time!
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Ignore my previous message .
I had just woken up so posting from memory (not a good idea!)
Obviously if it is the 1850 ,it wasn't redeveloped in 1823!
However there was a chantry dating from 1430 on the site I mentioned so remains may have been around.I got the wrong one namewise, but it will be worth looking into today if we get the chanece.
See some of you later.
I aim to get into town around 13:30 and will make my way to the Town Hall.
Secret Leeds badge attached to rucksack<LOL>.
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Not really expecting to see any intelligable postings tonight after a day of such lengthy research in the pu, er, Library guys - but looking forward to reading about it later. And yes of course, lengthy discussions to debrief in congenial surroundings are a must
Just wish I wus there too
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Not really expecting to see any intelligable postings tonight after a day of such lengthy research in the pu, er, Library guys - but looking forward to reading about it later. And yes of course, lengthy discussions to debrief in congenial surroundings are a must
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Lenghty yes,in good surroundings yes.
Did we get any further?
Well yes and no.
We have a reference in the 1836 electoral roll for J Ainley,showing that he had a pub on Crown Street with................
Stables.
So we know that the stables were exactly that in 1836,8 years earlier than the letting notice of 1844.
We only tickled the newspapers because some interesting maps kept coming up,one in particular which was based on the 1770 map,but with prominent buildings hilighted.thse buildings having a year associated with them.
One point of this map was of interest to me,that is the Vicarage on the corner of the market and Vicar Lane.
This had a year of 1242,yes,1242,associated with it.
We found out that the Vicarage was built on Thomas Clavells Chantry Chapel,of which the earliest record we had come across was 1430.
This puts the chapel as being a serious contender with the parish church as the original source of the skulls.
The vicarage was redeveloped in 1719 (i think,hic!)and then torn down to make way for the market in 1823,a date which is close to the Napoleonic Wars.
The talk is that possibly during its demolition that remnants of the old chapel that could have been in the foundations of the Vicarage may have been unearthed and reused,as in the 10th century Angle Crosses discovered in the foundations of the medieaval church which was demolished in 1838.
Its all conjecture,as we need to know how old the skulls are,but the timeframe for the vicarage and the earlier chapel is very favourable.
We had a late show from Brandy,who had Duncan the folk singer with hime and a new recruit,whom Brandy has indoctrinated.
Brandy had been sat outside the pub for 3 hours until he found us lot inside.
He came out of the toilets,overheard our converstaion and said
"Are you lot Secret Leeds?"
Yes mate,weve been here since half five.......
By the way,Tasa has come up with some excellent work collating all thats been spoken about on these pages,with pictures and a time line,absolutely excellent,well done lass!!
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Yes, a good time was had by all, and the pub wasn't too busy! For the record, Secret Leedsers present: Cnosni, Phill, Tasa, Steve, Drapesy, Kierentc and partner (Dave? - Tetley's may have erased memory!), Drapesy, Brandy, Duncan (with guitar) and new recruit, Alan (and myself.) There was another bloke sat near us who took an interest, too. Hope I didn't miss anyone.
As Cnosni said, a nice reference book was compiled by Tasa.
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A bit more research at lunchtime unearthed a mention of the 1242 vicarage, in this extract from Dioecesi Eboracensi, published in 1840:
LEEDS. — SAINT PETER. — (Vicarage
in charge.)—Area, 3,050 acres.
Leeds division.—POPULATION, 71,602';
CHURCH-ROOM, 1,500 ; NET VALUE,
1,257/.—This Church was given to the
Priory of the Holy Trinity in York by
Ralph Paganell, and appropriated thereto
by Archbishops Roger and Geoffrey, and
a Vicarage ordained therein, 7th Dec.,
A.D. 1242.
However, do you think in this context, the use of the word Vicarage means the Vicar himself, rather than his house? I can't find any other reference to a building of that date.
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